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Adding to what I said earlier - if my students I currently coach came to me with a similar idea, I'd tell them no. They are still in high school and I think there still needs to be a line somewhere. It's very different if they just go out and buy something with a witty slogan on it, quite another if they're getting something made for a school team. And, as long as you can safely say your response would be the same to the boys, I think it's OK to veto it. — Asked by the-megan-show
I'm baffled here, as it is completely inappropriate for a SCHOOL to be involved in adopting clothing which identifies their pupils' breasts as a supposed stage on a sexual list of body parts to be reached by another person. If individual girls choose to buy clothing like this that's very different, it would be useful to address clothing choices for ourselves and for example for young children, lots of innuendo out there. It's not up to one girl to veto, it's just wrong. What about 3rd, 4th base? — Asked by paganatheist

Good way of putting it. 

Perhaps it would be better to educate your boys more on the value of their peers than to police female attire. I think you should turn your worries into a chance at empowerment for these young girls and allow them to make their own choices, start a healthy discussion with their teammates on who would be comfortable with what, and to think about why a joke like this is appealing. — Asked by autumn-amber

I think any chance talk about the implications of choices like these with boys and girls alike is valuable.
In my mind this is not an issue of who’s to blame and who’s doing something wrong, but what’s appropriate and what sets the right message in a boarding school context.

As a female athlete and a feminist, I think the second base joke is hilarious. As a teacher, I understand your concerns - particularly since some girls may feel pressured into it. I would recommend having the girls do a secret ballot to establish if there is anyone on the team with concerns. The other thing to think about - if the boys wanted shirts that made a similar joke, would that be OK? Perhaps that's how you can frame it. — Asked by the-megan-show

I appreciate that you understand both the student/teacher perspective in this instance. I would definitely feel the same way about boys who wanted to make apparel with a similarly natured message. The ballot is a good idea - thanks!

Thanks, and it’s no problem. I “feel” that in approving the language, we silently agree, as a school, to small acts that objectify girls & women and say that their value is in the sexualization of their body. To me the message “second base” reads: “I’m here not to be valued for who I am, but for how far you can get with me”. I can see the other side too that says its more about empowerment and that people are free to emphasize their bodies how they please. However when it’s a group doing it, I think the empowerment argument loses its strength unless everyone in that group is willingly comfortable and proud of the choice.
So I can’t say for sure that any of those sides is right. I just “feel” like there’s a message being sent through it that’s unintentional and perhaps even damaging for those girls who might feel pressure to wear them but might not want to be part of a culture where their focus and passion for a sport shifts to their bodies as objects of conquest. 
But then I know that there might be more reasonable ways of thinking about it, which is why I asked the community.

Thanks, and it’s no problem. I “feel” that in approving the language, we silently agree, as a school, to small acts that objectify girls & women and say that their value is in the sexualization of their body. To me the message “second base” reads: “I’m here not to be valued for who I am, but for how far you can get with me”. I can see the other side too that says its more about empowerment and that people are free to emphasize their bodies how they please. However when it’s a group doing it, I think the empowerment argument loses its strength unless everyone in that group is willingly comfortable and proud of the choice.

So I can’t say for sure that any of those sides is right. I just “feel” like there’s a message being sent through it that’s unintentional and perhaps even damaging for those girls who might feel pressure to wear them but might not want to be part of a culture where their focus and passion for a sport shifts to their bodies as objects of conquest. 

But then I know that there might be more reasonable ways of thinking about it, which is why I asked the community.

If the girls are gathering funds and order forms themselves then I feel the school has less of a voice in this dialogue. I can understand concerns about the joke offending parents and then becoming an issue for the school, BUT the term, although being an innuendo, is not sexually explicit. I'm surprised that you think a slogan will be more distracting for your male students than wearing sports bras instead of shirts during physical activity. — Asked by autumn-amber

I appreciate your point of view on this, but I’m not sure why you’re “surprised”; I’m also not sure why you assume you know my thinking. The only thing I said in my post that would indicate my thinking is that “I feel it’s a bad idea.” I didn’t say why I felt that way. 
I posed the scenario because I wanted to see what were some reasonable ways of thinking about the situation. You’ll see from all the responses (tumblr notes) that there are many different ways of looking at it. My goal was to use those perspectives to make an informed opinion.

Thanks. 

What to do about “second base”

So some girls on the softball team at the high school I work at want to get sports bras that say “second base” on them. This feels like a bad idea to me and also to one of my colleagues. What do you think: agree or disagree? What do you think is the best advice/ talking points to bring up with the girls?


Update: wanted to answer some of the questions. First, the purchase would happen as a team. Team apparel is a big thing here on our campus. Usually someone organizing an apparel purchase like this needs to get enough buy in from the team to make a sizable order. Not sure if the school would pay for any of it, but any purchase of apparel would be assumed by others to have the okay/approval by a faculty member advising that group- in this case their coach.


Second, the intention is that they would be worn to be seen, like during practice or something. One worry is that perhaps not all the girls would feel comfortable with the message it sends? The girls understand that it’s clever and has sexual undertones.

—people have been posting comments/questions about this to my askbox, so I’ve put the responses under the tag #secondbase.